Talk:Capital ships
I'll note that corvettes and military transports both fail the intro of "being huge beasts".
from wikipedia captial ships:
"The capital ships of a navy are its most important warships; the ones with the heaviest firepower and armor. A capital ship is generally a leading or a primary ship in a fleet.
There is usually no formal criterion for the classification, but it is a useful concept when thinking about strategy, for instance to compare relative naval strengths in a theatre of operations without having to get bogged down in the details of tonnage and gun diameters."
corvettes and TMs are both too small to fit into a grand strategy system, you generally are not going to form fleets around one. they fit into the wet navy frigate/corvette area, possibly as low as some sort of torpedo or patrol boat, or an escort carrier in the case of TMs.
lol, wikipedia escort carrier: "Amongst their crews, CVE was sarcastically said to stand for "Combustible, Vulnerable, and Expendable"".
also the universal station docking works against them as exceptional since the larger cap ships all Can't. pricing is another area where they fall behind, TMs are cheaper than the M3s they can carry.
clearly they're different from fighters since they don't bail, but they're very different from cap ships too. Madned
I agree that TM and M6 fail to meet the capital ship category. M6s also fail to meet the fighter category, a problem that has been bugging me perpetually as I don't know quite what to class them as other than "Corvettes". I've been removing any references I find making these two classes capital-class ships, as we've defined a Capital-class ship as one that uses a Capital class docking port and the centre of a gate. Spychotic 17:27, 9 November 2010 (CST)
i propose classing them loosely as Escorts. TMs are modeled well enough by CVE type ships. Corvettes are some sort of Fast attack craft, less ship more boat. In principle, that's what they're designed to for on a strategic level: escort other ships, attack en masse, be small expendable units that can be deployed widely without too much investment. hmm, seems like a pretty good analogy, particularly since M6s are pretty vulnerable to fighters, similar to how FACs are in the wikipedia article.
Course having 2 members doesn't seem to warrant an article, since it's mostly going to be about how escorts aren't either fighters or cap ships :P Madned 12:20, 10 November 2010 (CST)
Yes and no. You've forgotten about the M8 class, which have the same docking and gate characteristics as Corvettes and TMs.
This leaves four categories that cover all ships;
- "Fighters" cover the M5, M4, M4+, M3 and M3+ classes
- "Transporters" cover the TS and TP classes
- "Escorts" cover the M6, M8 and TM classes
- "Capital ships" cover the M7, M7M, M2, M1 and TL classes.
We could do a category on each? Spychotic 18:27, 10 November 2010 (CST)
M8s fit well in our escort category mostly because they don't fit in the others, and they have the same docking. unlike the other "escorts" they seem to be more offensive than the others.
Transports should probably also include TLs, they're a capital sized transport. However, TPs and TSes are clearly the workhorse, dock to dock ships. TMs should probably also be included, since they're military transports. conceptually i think they're supposed to be armed merchantmen ala http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_cargo_ship, but in practice b/c they launch and recover fighters i think they turn to be more CVE, given their speed perhaps more CVL.
the problem with the escorts category is that we're kinda making that up on the spot, this is not a generally accepted term. escorts as a naval term seems to be mostly used in conjunction with larger battle groups and not a classification of its own. for the ships page section i'm fine with
- Fighters
- Capital Ships
- Escorts (combat ships which don't fit other categories)
I was sure we had a transports/freighters page, but it seems not. so, ok here we go then. Madned 11:49, 12 November 2010 (CST)
[edit] Interesting, thanks
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